shuttle held 'overhand' sometimes referred to as The Claw
shuttle held from below or under hand
There are several 'hot' topics in the weaving world. They come round, regular as clockwork. People give their opinions. No minds are changed.
So I offer this simply as information. Do with it as you will.
When I started weaving, I recognized that some positions and postures were more ergonomic than others. Over the years I have consulted with physiotherapists, massage therapists, people who have degrees in body mechanics. All confirm - the thumbs down position is 'bad' for the body.
Maybe not today. Maybe not tomorrow or next week. Maybe not even in a year or 10. But it puts additional stress on shoulder, neck, pectoral muscles, to repeatedly make a motion with the thumb in the downward position.
Now, it all depends on when or even IF someone might develop physical issues. Your genetics for one. Previous injuries for another. A person also has to take into consideration their own physical limitations, whatever they might be.
But the principle remains. Thumbs down is generally not recommended.
The two photos above kind of illustrate the point. Thumbs down, the lower arm is rotated, the elbow raised and away from the body, shoulder raised.
The thumbs or palm up position, the shoulder is in more neutral position, the elbow closer to the body, the lower arm is not rotated.
Which way someone holds their shuttle is a matter of personal preference. All I can do is state the principle and let people choose which method they will use.
On The Other Hand...again just a month ago I had a weaver approach me in my booth in Calgary to thank me for my videos and all the preaching I do here about using 'good' processes. Seems she had been plagued with chronic severe neck/shoulder pain for two years, trekking from doctor to doctor, taking copious pain killers, unable to weave. She finally got to a specialist who frowned and said the only time he had seen such injury was in people who (and made the motion of throwing a shuttle).
She told me she said, 'you mean like throwing a shuttle?' "Yes!"
"I'm a weaver."
After that the doctor was able to zoom in on the muscles that were injured, recommend exercises, and she bought my DVD, which she said fit right in with her treatment. After several months she was once again able to weave.
Other people have contacted me to let me know that once they adopted the palm/thumb up way of holding the shuttle, their selvedges improved and their weaving rhythm became more efficient. It was not what they had expected, but they felt that was a positive outcome.
So for anyone contemplating how they hold/throw the shuttle, think about the effect the thumbs down position has on your body.
We only get one. Let's take care of it.
(And if you choose to continue with thumbs down? Take frequent rest breaks, massage your lower arms, shoulder and neck. Apply heat/ice as required.)
While I'm on my soapbox...sit high enough - hips higher than knees. Sit up on your sitz bones, not rotated onto your coccyx. Engage your abdominal muscles to protect your lower back. Sit up straight, not hunched over. Sit perched on the edge of your bench so that you don't cut off the circulation to your legs. Bend from the hips. Again, as your ability to do so allows. Not everyone has good range of motion for whatever reason.
4 comments:
The exact same situation exist with bobbin lace making. I think from the photos I have seen on your blog you worked that palm down, as I do. But on occasion I have worked on a continental style bolster pillow where you hold the bobbins in your hand (in Moscow, and Spain), and the relief of tension in my shoulder and back is noticeable. However, as I have been working palms down for 40 years and I am so painfully slow working palms up I always revert to the technique which my muscle memory is attuned to and which allows me to produce the quantity of lace I need as a teacher.
I think the tools we use frequently determine how we use them. Since I learned on a typical cookie pillow, I do palms down. But the thumbs are not 'down', so the lower arm doesn't rotate as much as holding a shuttle thumbs down. Jacqui used to sit with her pillow in her lap, her head hanging. And never had any problems. I cannot do that because of my whiplash injuries. So we each have to adapt to our particular tools and bodies. And take rest breaks! Something I do not do enough.
Hi Laura...I read this when you first posted it and have just come back and reread it. I am wondering if you have changed some of your language. I am a production weaver, have been one for 28 years, often six scarves or twelve yards of fabric in a day. My body is doing great.
I want to make the distinction between "palms down" and "thumb down". A weaver can weave ergonomically with palms down, but the thumbs are not down, they are actually on the side of the shuttle. The position is not the same as the one in your first photo.
I have had several weavers, without having ever seen me weave, tell me that they have seen your video or read what you have written and that I am doing it wrong. I have taught hundreds of students how to weave using the palms down method and when they do really get it in their body, they love it.
I made a few videos to show the difference. I am aware that your method is more traditional and works well for you and others, but there are other methods that exist that can be pain free through thousands of scarves.
Here is a link to the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JfrUlOk3oE
My main concern has always been the 'thumbs down' position which is what I have seen over and over again. This position is not ergonomic and is what I am showing in my photo. Palms down is a position that is used frequently for various tasks including typing. This position is much more neutral. If you are a frequent reader of my blog then you know my first answer is frequently'it depends', sometimes followed by 'find an expert, learn enough to become your own expert'. I cannot know what is 'best' for any particular person, only share principles and let people choose what is 'right' for them. Not everyone will agree with me, and that's fine. We each must find our own way and work to become the best we can be.
Congratulations on the 28 years and hundreds of students. I have found it very satisfying to teach people about weaving and share what I do. It sounds like you do, too. :)
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